At 3:24pm Wednesday August 29, in response to Nguoi Lao Dong’s recent attack on its service (UPDATE: Nguoi Lao Dong has pulled down the original news), the head of the Baamboo team gave a strong rebuttal on Dan Tri, disclaiming its responsibility for the ‘bad contents’ and affirming its effort to comply with Vietnamese rules.
At 3:53 the same day, an individual claimed himself to be part of the Nguoi Lao Dong reporter group that wrote the article on Dien Dan Tin Hoc. He then went on to explain the rationale behind what he thought to be a ‘necessary warning’. What surprised me the most is his obvious shift of emphasis from the censorship issue to the copyright issue in this first post. Things become clearer as he briefly apologized for the initial attack on the censorship (twice) and then discussed at length about how Baamboo, Zing MP3, 7Sac, and TuyetDieu violated Vietnamese copyright laws. The argument is pretty straightforward: these search-and-play music sites allow users to steal music from other ‘copyrighted sites’ such as nhacso.net, yeuamnhac.com and amnhac.timnhanh.com.
In terms of the censorship issue, I think it’s pretty clear that Baamboo does show great effort to filter bad contents. As a Vietnamese company, I don’t think it would like to be controversial like Google and Yahoo in China. It’s common business sense. The censorship filter is just a technical matter.
As I noted in the last paragraph in my previous post on Vietnamese online music websites, copyright will be a critical thorny issue sooner or later. I have to say that the alleged reporter’s argument does have some merits. If you want to be a music/video search site, help users find the music or video and then bring them to the original sites. That’s the whole point about search, isn’t it?
This discussion brings up many further issues: How does Vietnamese law define a copyrighted content website? This definition is not even clear in the US if you think of thousands of pending lawsuits. How about baomoi.com, where it also lets people read the content from other online news services right on its website (i.e. “its caching service“)? Or how about clip.vn, which also hosts various copyrighted contents from other mainstream media platforms? Do these two sites have the permission to SHOW the content on THEIR platforms yet?
My take is that the current Vietnamese law governing technology is *far* behind the real development. Plus, we also see the “leapfrog effect” effect in Vietnam. For example, it takes the majority of internet users in the US almost 10 years (plus all the web1.0 services) before they can use YouTube, MySpace or Facebook. In Vietnam, internet users jump to the latest technology of 2007. The combination of the already outdated legal environment, super-fast rate of adoption and popular always-on and rich content-friendly broadband use produces an huge gap between reality and IT law. While we see this legal issue in almost any business sector (and the government does openly admit this deficiency many times), it’s the technology field that presents the greatest challenge.
August 30, 2007 at 7:45 am
Baamboo apparently violates the rules when allowing users to play the media on its site. Baidu does the other way though. In the past, YouTue has sent take down notices to some websites that enable users to search and play YouTube video on their sites. It hasn’t happened like that in Baamboo’s case yet, but the lawmakers now may start paying attention to digital content policy in Vietnam. (what if yeuamnhac.com, nhacso.net etc. will do like YouTube did ?)
FYI, you might have known that Yahoo VN just agreed with the local authority to filter “subversive” words that circulates Vietnamese Yahoo services (i.e. Y360 and email later on).
I’m sure our government will put their hands on this case sooner or later. Digital information just happens so fast that they might have not tied the knot very well until this case broke out. This is very similar to Google and Yahoo in China in the past and just a beginning of censorship gateway.
You’re right, complying with local authority is the only way to do business. Yahoo, Google, MS and whoever coming will have to follow the path, a lesson they learned from China.
Baamboo doesn’t have a solid user base yet, but its traffic is pretty solid in recent months – almost makes the site the 2nd place among others: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=baamboo.com%2F&site1=yeuamnhac.com&site2=nhacso.net&site3=amnhac.timnhanh.com&site4=loitraitim.com&y=r&z=3&h=300&w=610&range=3m&size=Medium&url=perfspot.com. Though Alexa is no longer a trustworthy source for this kind of evaluation, but it speaks up something.
I still think Baamboo can grow better though, they’ve learned a harsh yet good lesson.
–Tran Nguyen
August 31, 2007 at 4:22 am
NLD is FPT’s close partner, Dantri and Baamboo are under VCCorp. It seems that FPT won 1-0 now. Baamboo’s answer is a little weak in comparison with NLD’s cunning attack. They should hire someone with strong PR skill for upcoming services.
Law is always far behind tech development anywhere even in the States.
August 31, 2007 at 1:05 pm
@Jason: I’m not sure if you read my post before or after I inserted the Update line, but NLD removed the article yesterday. Since it’s a big deal in Vietnam to pull down a widely circulated article, I think it’s more like 1-1.
@Tran: Thanks for the heads-on about Yahoo agreement.
While these censorship or copyright news won’t surprise us much in this context, they are no less worrisome. As Vietnam’s legal environment is in the transition period, any bad case will set dangerous precedents for the future of our Internet landscape.
August 31, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Your cache link even did not work now (I read thru all posts on ddth related to the case, even I know some inside info), but I mean the way Baamboo answer is not smart enough with those political sensitive issues. We will see how Vinagame’s action after the new attack on its music search.
September 1, 2007 at 7:41 am
Baamboo is in VN, right?
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April 15, 2009 at 11:52 am
Not that I’m totally impressed, but this is a lot more than I expected when I stumpled upon a link on Delicious telling that the info is quite decent. Thanks.
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